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TSLB alias Pink Floyd
[Besucher]
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17.09.2008
21:31
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Quadrofonie [5057]
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Also Pink Floyd gehören ja zu den Künstlern , welche in den 70ern mit 4 Kanal gearbeitet haben .
Kennt hier vielleicht jemand einen Händler , welcher im digitalem Format( SACD,DVD-A oder DTS-CD ) Atomic Hearth Mother , Dark Side of the Moon oder Wish you where here vertreibt? 
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knollambo
[Pater]
28.09.2008
20:53 Uhr
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@ miniaturisierer
hast Du ein DTS-fähiges System für DVD-Wiedergabe ??
shine on |
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miniaturisierer
[Besucher]
Unregistered user
01.10.2008
20:01 Uhr
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@ knollambo
ja hab ich...und nun?
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KatzenHai
[Hailand]
01.10.2008
20:05 Uhr
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@ miniaturisiererhast Du ein DTS-fähiges System für DVD-Wiedergabe ??
@ knollambo
ja hab ich...und nun? Nu nutz' es!!
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The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
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ichselbst
[Pater]
01.10.2008
21:40 Uhr
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@ miniaturisierer
ja richtig. Leg Dir die 2. DVD der Gdansk-Box ein und wähle beim Sound-Setup DTS aus
...dann gibts aber richtig was auf die Ohren. ichselbst finde es jedenfalls toll.
Majuwi@Greifswald.2008 --- The grass was greener, The light was brighter, With friends surrounded, The nights of wonder... |
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miniaturisierer
[Besucher]
Unregistered user
03.10.2008
07:59 Uhr
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@ ichselbst
...mir gings ja nich um generelles Verständnis von Mehrkanal-Sound, denn mit DTS is das ja klar...mir gings eher darum wie ein Stereo-Tonabnehmer mit 2 Kanälen ein 4-Kanal-Signal übertragen soll...mein Receiver mit der Surroundanlage "simuliert" das schon und verteilt auch alles fein auf 5 Boxen, aber ist das denn Quadrofonie im eigentlichen Sinne!?...
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mars behind moon
[blofeldspieler]
03.10.2008
08:30 Uhr
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@ miniaturisierer
nochmals zum lesen
quadrofonie hat vier boxen
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad ...
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" halt die klappe "
bruder franziskus zitiert und dreimal in der STARGATE serie gehört |
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miniaturisierer
[Besucher]
Unregistered user
04.10.2008
02:33 Uhr
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@ mars behind moon
ja danke für den Tip...sagt ja schon der Name,denn bei 5 Boxen müsste es wahrscheinlich Quinto-Phonie oder sowas heissen hmmm...ich glaube hier gings mir mehr um "echten" Surround von ner Schallplatte...aber lassen wir das Thema jetzt...is ja auch egal...hat sich ja offensichtlich nie wirklich durchsetzen können und dafür wirds Gründe geben...in diesem Sinne
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mars behind moon
[blofeldspieler]
04.10.2008
10:33 Uhr
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@ miniaturisierer
wenn du viel geld hast ca. 10 000€ dann würde ich dir eine sony box empfehlen
es nennt sich SOUNTINA ist von sony und da spielt es keine rolle wo du im raum bist du
hast immer rundumbeschallung !
www.peliculasfullhd.com/de ...
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" halt die klappe "
bruder franziskus zitiert und dreimal in der STARGATE serie gehört |
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HeBu
[Bruder]
26.09.2010
01:50 Uhr
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Seit heute habe ich ein kleines 5.1 Boxensystem von Medion an meinem DVD-Player. Natürlich hab ich es gleich mit der "Referenzplatte" eingerichtet und getestet: PULSE, zweite DVD. Und danach dann noch LOVE von den Beatles. Nun laufen den ganzen Tag schon diverse Musik-DVDs rauf und runter, gerade geht "Live in Gdansk" zu Ende :-)
Nun kamen mir die Quadro-Mixes von den Floyds wieder in den Sinn. Mangels SACD-Player konnte ich meine geliebte DSotM bisher immer nur in Stereo hören. Gefunden habe ich die Quadro-DSotM recht schnell als hybride DVD-A / DVD-V (mit dts und Dolby Surround). Das ist ganz gut, dass es dort auch im Dolby Surround Format drauf ist, weil mein DVD-Player weder DVD-A abspielen kann, noch ich einen dts-Decoder besitze.
Nun bin ich auf der Suche nach den Quadro-Mixes von Wish You Were Here und Atom Heart Mother ... weiß ich jemand, wo ich fündig werden könnte?
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Double Bubble
[DeBil-Brownie]
21.03.2011
09:30 Uhr
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Jimfisheye hat bei YEESHKUL! die verschiedenen PF-Quad-Downloads bewertet.
The quad Animals you have is fake. This is one of those "CD upmix" projects. This is on the level of an 8 year old hooking up 17 speakers to his radio in his bedroom. It's just the CD tracks put into multiple speakers. Sometimes they take multiple releases of the same CD and mix them together. Different masters at different levels would maybe produce a wiggle here and there between speakers. Basically you get 16 bit digital hash blasting at you from 5 speakers. Avoid all this - it's just kids playing around.
Regarding the actual quad surround mixes, I thought everything from Atom Heart on was mixed in quad (except OBC). I've read about album playback parties where they used the quad masters. Sorry, can't give a reference. I absolutely remember reading about a quad mix of Meddle - it just wasn't released. Quadraphonic surround stopped being released in 75 or 76. That's likely why Animals and The Wall never came out. It was another 20 years before surround sound formats came back. Now of course the PF catalog is being ignored/hoarded even though we have (for over 10 years now) the perfect format (DVDA) and even though PF is the quintessential surround sound band.
That SACD version of The Dark Side of the Moon is in fact a remix. It sounds quite awful - like a bootleg compared to the original.
That DVDA of The Dark Side of the Moon really did come from a safety copy of the quad master. Yes there are a couple small tape dropouts (it's old!). The sound is comparable to the MFSL pressing of the album - far, far beyond what CD is capable of and beyond what you'd get from the Q8 or reel copies. It goes without saying that it didn't come from lossy SQ encoded vinyl. This was mastered by a pro. I really don't think one could do any better. Some people complain about the Lfe channel being separated out (4.0 -> 4.1) but it was done properly.
Here are my PF quad notes:
* = best transfers
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother Discrete Quad Mix POTWDVDA001
- Utterly and completely destroyed with noise reduction. Unlistenable.
*ahm
md5: 4445df764e1f9191405f06e39169424c - ahm.iso
- Atom Heart Mother discrete quad mix from 8-track. I never got any artwork with it but the file is named ahm.iso
and came in a folder named "pf". This has some noise reduction used as well and it's not good.
Unfortunately it's the best copy I've heard. 24/96 too.
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon (1973) [VINYL] (UK Quad LP)
- Haven't heard it. No need to (see next).
*Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon - Alan Parsons' Mix DVD
md5: 0d5d7b5b154c457738c20a001e80445d - Pink Floyd - Ultimate Dark Side of the Moon 4_1.iso
- Allegedly transferred from a safety copy of the master tape. This kind of sound quality can't be faked or "restored".
This is the real deal. Sound quality is on a level playing field with the MFSL vinyl release.
This is certainly 99.999999% what an official 24/96 DVDA would sound like.
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (1975) [VINYL] (UK Quadraphonic DVD)1
- Front to rear separation almost nonexistent. Pretty stepped on.
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (1975) [VINYL] (UK Quadraphonic 24Bit-96kHz)
- Is this the same? Or maybe the earlier version mentioned in the above?
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (1975) [VINYL] (UK Quadraphonic DVD)2
md5: 3a2a12a2970cacb8edb376376aa72ca1 - WISHYOUW.iso
- This is likely the best vinyl transfer. There's actually a little front to rear separation. Still…
*Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
md5: 5779666a025870e811dd19d440421421 - Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here.iso
- Fair amount of tape hiss (fortunately not made worse by amateur noise reduction), speed is 23C sharp.
High end is a bit subdued (not counting the hiss). It's still better and less stepped on than any vinyl version.
The Lf channel is 2.5db low for the 1st 2 songs. A speed correction,
level correction and wide 2db boost at 5k and this is the best sounding version.
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (Q8 Hub Remaster)
md5: 46018a455b6338e0d982924ee64ced57 - Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here Hub Remaster.iso
- Looks like its from the same transfer as the above. The Lf ch has the same anomaly for the 1st 2:11 of HAC
which is not on the distorted 24/48 transfer or the vinyl). At first glance it sounds good. Hotter levels and fuller in the mids.
Someone went after it with noise reduction and high end eq cut unfortunately and really lost a lot.
To be fair there was a decent amount of hiss there but still… This also has considerably less bass than the above
and what sounds like a little smearing from crosstalk between channels.
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (The Original Quadraphonic Mix )
- This one is 24/48 and came with the AUDIO_TS folder in a folder named "Quad 8 Tape Source" as opposed to a disc image file.
Worst transfer ever! The record level was set very much too high for the transfer
and this is distorted (digitally clipped) beyond belief. Unlistenable.
Pink Floyd - Animals (The Original Quadraphonic Mix) Demonoid
- Fake. Someone took 3 different stereo CD masters and lined them up.
Different levels and/or mastering compression levels of the different CD's used would create a little movement here and there.
A sonic assault from 3 CD copies at once - yikes! Meddle and The Wall exist with this treatment as well.
* best transfers
These 3 discs (plus some of the others) also contain lossy versions (either dts or dolby) in addition to the lossless 24/96 program.
jimfisheye
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